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    Default There are two falls of heavenly angels; not one. Is holiness a farse?

    Angels fell twice; not once. Is Holiness a farse?‏ II

    In the beginning God made two creatures: angels and human men. We are
    taught that in the same fashion as men, angels also had to overcome temp
    tation or original sin, which took place ar the rebellion of Lucifer. All angels
    that did not join Lucifer, remained faithful, humble and obedient to God, who,
    in reward, sealed them with permanent holiness and everlasting glory not
    subject to sin, pride, rebellion and fall of any sinful nature or kind. Once sealed
    with permanent and everlasting holiness, souls are holy and cannot sin, rebel,
    fall or conceive any form of evil or ofense against God. According to the holy
    doctrine, saints are pure souls who no longer sin. Yet, the bible also teaches
    us that aside from the fall of angels at the rebellion of Lucifer (fall which decided
    what angels would remain holy with God forever in heaven and what angels
    would become damned as demons with Lucifer forever in hell) there was another
    fall, a second fall of angels: that of those who became passionate for the daughters
    of men (women), descended to earth, and acquiring human physique, took wives
    from among them, and having sexual intercourse with them, engendered a race
    of giants, who became the heroes of old. Thus, the fall of angels are two; not
    one. The fall of Lucifer and of his angels ocurred when the only human alive was
    Adam and he had neither wife nor sons and daughters (or perhaps a bit before
    he was created). The fall of these other angels (those who took human women
    for their wives) ocurred when the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve as well as
    their grandsons and grandaughters were already born. These second fall of the
    angels was headed by Azasel and Semjaza, along with those who followed them,
    a total of two hundred (200) angels. At Lucifer's rebellion, thousands, if not millions
    of angels fell. Lucifer and his angels did not repent, while these other angels did
    repent and did penance, and even requested Henoc to intercede for them before
    God so that he would forgive them, but God did not forgive them, but emprisioned
    them in caves in the desert until final judgement. In the fall of Lucifer and his
    angels, God empowered archangel Michael against them, while at the fall of Semjaza
    and Azasel and his angels, God empowered archangel Gabriel against them and against
    their children the giants. Lucifer and his angels rejected human men while Semjaza and
    Azasel and his angels requested men's intercession (that of Henoc) before God. Semjaza
    and Azasel with their angels are not yet in hell, but in desert caves. Neither are they
    under the authority of Lucifer, but they will be at final juidgement

    The truly interesting thing about all this is that the church teaches us that God made
    angels who did not join Lucifer, holy, and sealed them with everlasting glory, which
    makes creatures blessed for all the eternity without the possibility of ever sinning again
    or of being tempted. Let us keep in mind that the fall of Semjaza and Azasel with their
    two hundred angels ocurred in a time distinct from that of Lucifer's fall, in which daugh
    ters of men were already born. Therefore, if these angels did not fall at Lucifer's
    rebellion, it is due to their remaining firm and faithful. In turn, if they remained firm
    and faithful, they were sealed by God with everlasting and unfailing holiness and
    glory, so they are saints. The question is how is it that they fall and yielded into
    temptation while being already saints? This means that the holiness God promises
    us and without which no one shall ever see Him is false and untrue. It's a mere
    tale. Once officially a saint in heaven, one can neither sin nor fall into temptation
    any more. These other angels, having not fallen with Lucifer, were supposed to be
    already saints. Yet, they are tempted by the beauty of women and they abandon
    their abodes in heaven in order to descend and have sex with them (see Enoch 15:
    3-6 "Wherefore have ye left the HIGH, HOLY and ETERNAL HEAVEN, and lain with
    women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves
    wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants as your sons? And
    though you were HOLY,SPIRITUAL, LIVING THE ETERNAL LIFE, you have defiled
    yourselves with...women...have lusted after flesh and blood...") Some may
    argue that there are what some call "neutral angels". That is, angels half-way fallen.
    Yes, it is true that at the rebellion of Lucifer some angels, while falling, had a moment
    of doubt, but they did not repent at all. In fact, they did not repent; they just doubted,
    but didn't repent. These angels did not fall into earth or hell, but remained in the regions
    of the air. They fell with Lucifer, that is, at Lucifer's rebellion.They act as allies of Lucifer,
    tempting men. But, as already said, these half-way" fallen angels (or incorrectly called
    "neutral") fell at the rebellion of Lucifer. In that moment there were no daughters of men
    (women) on earth; they weren't yet born. Not even Eve was around! Only Adam! These
    other angels (called "Annunaki") (Semjaza and Azasel with two hundred other angels, fell
    in a moment or time in which daughters and grandaughters of men were already born and
    adult. Thus, these angels ARE NOT half-way fallen angels. These angels fell separately
    from Lucifer, at a different time. If they did not fall at Lucifer's, then it is because they
    remained faithful. And those who did not fall with Lucifer, that is, those who did not join
    his rebellion, were made saints and holy. Yet, they sin!

    Evidence that this truly happened can be viewd at the following site:

    Giant Humans and Dinosaurs
    and
    The Book of Enoch

    In the book of Enoch read chapters 6,7,8,9,10,12,13,14,15,16,19 and 20.

    Images are astonishing! It truly is as St. Paul says in Ephesians 6:12: "Our struggle is not
    against human beings of flesh and blood, but against the dominations, powers and principa
    lities of the supernatural world of darkness" ( the choirs of angels were originally nine (9);
    Dominations, Powers, Principalities, Archangels, Angels, Thrones, Virtues, Cherubs and Seraphs).
    Archangel Raphael also mentions it while revealing the truth about himself to Tobit and Tobiah,
    in Tobiah 12:11 "I shall now reveal unto you all the truth without keeping nothing". (12:15)
    "I am Raphael, one of the angels who is in the counsel of God". (12:19) "You saw me eat and
    speak, but it was only a vision".

    The one thing that is truly frighful in all this is that angels who did not fall at Lucifer's rebellion,
    and who, therefore, remained faithful to God, who, in turn, sealed them with eternal and ever
    lasting glory and holiness which no longer can sin or fall or be tempted, did actually fall and
    sinned with women. This has never been said! It has been hidden
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    Due to this human life multiplied and born with lot of sins and also commit lot of sins in their life. People should cultivate and return to their original true selves.

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    There's a strong argument among biblical scholars that Sons of God didn't refer to angels, but to humans. In bible "Sons of God" usually refers to mere men, but I don't think it's certain either way.



    Genesis 6:1-4
    Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. And the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.


    There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.


    But, notice how in other passages "Sons of God" refers to ordinary humans.


    Romans 5:2
    By whom also we have access through faith into this grace, wherein we stand, and glory in the hope of the glory of the sons of God.


    Romans 5:14
    For whosoever are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    Romans 8:16
    For the Spirit himself giveth testimony to our spirit, that we are the sons of God.

    Romans 8:19 For the expectation of the creature waiteth for the revelation of the sons of God.

    Romans 8:23 And not only it, but ourselves also, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption of the sons of God, the redemption of our body.

    1 John 3
    Behold what manner of charity the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called, and should be the sons of God. Therefore the world knoweth not us, because it knew not him.

    1 John 3:2
    Dearly beloved, we are now the sons of God; and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be. We know, that, when he shall appear, we shall be like to him: because we shall see him as he is.

    Osee 1:10
    And the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, that is without measure, and shall not be numbered. And it shall be in the place where it shall be said to them: You are not my people: it shall be said to them: Ye are the sons of the living God.

    Romans 9:26
    And it shall be, in the place where it was said unto them, You are not my people; there they shall be called the sons of the living God.


    If it was angels, it begs the question how did spiritual beings without bodies manage to procreate with women? We know from the bible angels can take on human form, so that's a possible explanation. If angels did have sexual relationships with women, remember the bible specifically states that angels do not marry. Angels in heavens have free will, however, they are so alligned with God's will they cannot sin. If angels were having sex with women, and in my opinion we can't totally write off the possibility, then they were already of the fallen variety, the same ones who were cast out of heaven during the original battle with St. Michael. This means they fell only once--not twice.

    On a side note, angels do not have original sin, not even the demonized kind of angels.

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