(((( Barack & Michelle Obama Dont Make It ))))

[mwyna]

I am certainly not questioning Hopejoy's ability. I have no clue if she has or has not such a gift and who am I to judge? I am saying that with gifts come responsibility. If these gifts are not used responsibly they can cause far more harm then good. How can one be 100% certain that their releasing the information in the first place is not the catalyst for causing that event to happen! And for the subject matter contained in the original post that is a very terrible thought. I fail to see how that means I prefer poison and hate and statements like that seem very much like guilt tactics which I do not subscribe to. You can find thousands of people giving prophetic warnings, some with dates, some without. Many say their message is from God and if you fail to believe it you are against God. If you try to believe every single such person, you are forced to believe conflicting prophetic warnings amongst other things not to mention the fact some people may possibly end up in a doctors clinic seeking help for depression and anxiety. Some minds are more stable then others and that should at least be a concern before releasing information that people can personally do nothing about. There is much talk of God being of love and I believe this truely. But it seems to me that the gods some people subscribe to want us all to distrust our leaders, our neighbors and sometimes even our own family members. And that is completely backwards. Some care should be used concerning the information released and to whom.

[IrisRavenstar]

I think you're very right, Mwyna. I usually only post something negative if it seems like a very specific event, and I want to find out if someone else dreamed of the same event or heard of news that seemed to fit. But then, that's what I see... real events... ones that presumably might be able to be stopped if enough information was gathered ahead of the event.

One thing some people ignore is that dreams have multiple functions, so it's hard to determine which are precognitive (or other PSI) and which are psychological, which includes dreams that are simply our FEARS (or WISHES) being acted out.

In any case, it's silly to jump on board with someone who's hyping this kind of thing, and get all caught up in it. Most of what is out there is false, and ever has been! It is also extremely rare to receive dates and times. The only time I ever got actual dates was for my 9/11 dreams, and it was waking visions of gravestones with either IX or XI on them. I didn't realize they were a date until after 9/11. Real prophetic dreams will include a lot of details about the events as well, which will be verifiable when the events occur.

But the worst part of hyping this stuff is it spreads negativity and fear, and it's the very people ranting about Satan the most who do it! I don't actually believe in Satan as an entity, but I sure do believe that hyping things that bring more negativity and fear into the world is the wrong way to go! People who have the need to do that really need to examine themselves and see why.

And, you know, that is the main purpose of dreams: Self-Examination. Self-Knowledge. And through that we grow love and compassion for others and for the God/dess.

[mwyna]

Originally Posted by IrisRavenstar

I think you're very right, Mwyna. I usually only post something negative if it seems like a very specific event, and I want to find out if someone else dreamed of the same event or heard of news that seemed to fit. But then, that's what I see... real events... ones that presumably might be able to be stopped if enough information was gathered ahead of the event.

Indeed Iris. For things such as storms, earthquakes, floods or even astroids and terrorist attacks (heck throw in ALIEN attacks if you want I don't care!) these are things that might be useful for people to know so they can prepare in some way. Gather a few weeks food and water supply, leave the area, etc. But for other things such as the subject matter in this thread there is no good purpose to release such info. In fact I would go so far as to say in my opinion, it is down right dangerous to do so.

[IrisRavenstar]

Yes, I think you're right. There are a lot White Supremicist nutcases out there who just might take it as a sign that they should do something awful and feel justified if they think it's a prophecy. It's crazy what people will do! Plus, you know, if he dies, and she's posted this here, someone may assume she's part of some conspiracy or something. You never know!

I've had dreams regarding the rising of the sea levels that have been realistic and disturbing, along with some expectation that I will be moving further inland at some point, though not right now. I don't really want to! I love being close to the ocean, but I guess if I'm guided to, I'll have to consider it seriously! But you know, there's scientific basis for that as well. Still, those dreams could simply be fear dreams. When the time comes to actually move, I'll know, because things will fall into place to enable me to do that smoothly. That's the way things work for me, and I think for anyone who works on their spiritual connectedness properly. There's no need for hype, just for watchfulness, perhaps. It matters that the timing be God's timing.

[Wickedlilmisty]

Originally Posted by HopeJoy

I see there is great panic, rage, blood, I see that it could have been prevented, it has something to do with conspiracy a substitute/replacement. Barack Obama is assassinated, he dies right away and his wife Michelle is also assassinated on the same day along side her husband Barack Obama in a crowd by gunfire but Michelle does not die right away she trys to hold on for a short while there after the attack but her attempts ultimately fail and she dies. Their 2 children are left unharmed. The funeral proceedings are the largest the United States has ever scene! Following there after: Biden steps down and Hillary Rodham Clinton welcomes, accepts and is honored to be the President in 2010. She does take the last name Clinton off her name stating 2 Clintons would cause confusion and she is then called Hillary Rodham in 2010.

~HopeJoy~

Hi,
I have had nightmares that turned out to be true fact after my self i know where the human mind can go in dreams nightmares and prophetic type dreams i experience them too. I can see your getting a lot of negative feedback and i can understand their frustration as well as your own. im just one person. We all exist in these hard times together. We see the same politics around the world and view the news with horrid true live tragedy its very easy for our minds to think of the worst and fear the changes around us. almost feels like we are passengers in a very large vehicle of doom at times. but if you look back at history and prophets they all had a sense of doom the end of the world has been dreamt about by many deaths of presidents and famous people.Fact is anyone in office faces that. A president holds power people hate giving up their power and control naturally they end up butting heads. I find it so sad that even in the modern world we live in we can not sit down make contracts or agreements or even just simply fist fight ti out. the power level has risen . guns weapons nukes? seriously i think no one has the right to take a life at all. How dare they make weapons of mass destruction why not do it in a more honorable way? when things become more advanced you would think by now better solutions to conflicts would exist but they actually got a bit worse don't you think? all this anger people have inside all this frustration? I had a bad feeling about Obama myself thinking how their are so many racists and how easy it would be for a former kkk to just flip out or an extremist. I hope that he will be alright and i hope that the family as well as the president will be safe somehow .. and that one day we can all learn to fight fair.Lets all hope for the best. In this world for all not just Americans.


WEll peace to all the dreamers..M~

[Briarcliffe]

HopeJoy,

Just because a few would rather plug their ears doesn't mean that all of us want to be blind. I mentioned this to RocketSquirrel a few weeks ago after he started to catch some flack... maybe we should just go to another site where those that read our postings will be open to possibilities beyond their little boxes.
Let me know if you find something.

[IrisRavenstar]

Originally Posted by Briarcliffe

HopeJoy,

Just because a few would rather plug their ears doesn't mean that all of us want to be blind. I mentioned this to RocketSquirrel a few weeks ago after he started to catch some flack... maybe we should just go to another site where those that read our postings will be open to possibilities beyond their little boxes.
Let me know if you find something.

Well, you know, Briarcliffe, it's not about plugging one's ears. It's about not listening to every fake out there hyping a lot of doon and gloom nonsense for attention. It simply adds to all the negativity in the world. My ears are perfectly well opened, thank you. It's interesting that since I filtered her, HopeJoy ceased posting, don't you think? On filter, I don't see her posts, but I would see a block telling me she had posted. Funny how she seemed only interested in getting to me! She will remain filtered too, as will Hazelflame and Jaleeah, as I suspect all three are one. If you want to spread nastiness, I can of course add you as well.

Hillary Clinton was a guest on one of the Sunday morning political shows yesterday, and said it is highly unlikely she'd run for President again, that she likes what she's doing now as Secretary of State, finds it important. She is 61, after all, and since that's close to my age, I can understand the rigors of a campaign would be a bit much as the years go by. Assuming Obama serves out eight years, she'd be 69 for the next campaign. Even in four, she'd be 65, which is standard retirement age in the U.S. Of course she didn't absolutely close the door to the idea, after all, she is a politician and knows how to hedge her bets!

I seriously doubt Obama will be assassinated at any time. He is in the White House for a purpose, to bring change in people's understanding of the absolute necessity to let go of racial prejudices. People like to compare him to JFK, and that is where the idea comes from. I am rather bemused by the situation with the white cop and the black professor having been invited to the White House to have a beer and talk with him... he's a gem, in my view, with a lot of good ideas. Now, if impatient people would just give him TIME for the ideas to take hold and change to unfold, it would be sooo nice. But of course, those who just want the End of the Whirled don't want to see that, do they? Such a pity, really! Because if the end ever does come, they're highly unlikely to actual find themselves where they think they're going!

[JMR]

In my view as a 68 years old retiree, political scientist,
HopeJoy and e_mc02 tell us things that should stimulate us to think outside of the box.
To find why such things may happen and possibly find answers for all of us.

To block intelligent discussion and possible answer hurts all members. Especially the quest for truths!

HopeJoy sayings about Obama suggest that the political, economic and financial establishment intends to stop him no matter what. The fact that Obama appeal directly to the masses over the heads of the establishment scares the hell out of them.

That is what should concern us more.
Not our private sensitivities.

When one truly believes in God, one has no fear whatever to seek the truth.

JMR

[Briarcliffe]

Just block me. I hear your threat and it is OK with me. If disagreement with IrisRavenstar is synonymous with nastiness, then ... sigh.
My goodness.
I encouraged HopeJoy to find another site and you turned on me.



Dear lady,
Under what kind of circumstances would it be acceptable to tell you that I had a dream that the President was killed? Stating that I had such a dream does not validate or imply any political standing. Stating that I had such a dream would be only that, a statement, a fact that I had a dream.

Where, oh where did the racism come from in that?

White supremacist? Wha??? Ma'am, did we read the same posting from HopeJoy? Did she say that she is glad that he may be assassinated, or that she is glad that he may be assassinated BECAUSE he is half black? Did she in any way celebrate her dream? You know she didn't.

Funny, I didn't realize that we had to pass our involuntary dreaming through a Happy Filter before we posted, so that we would not make people sad. My head is spinning at the abundant of intolerance.

Do I want B.H.O. and Michelle to die? My goodness NO!

Incomprehensible . I have been threatened with blocking because at the very worst, I have accused you of not wanting to hear a point of view that you find disagreeable. Are you really OK with what that means if you keep HopeJoy blocked? It means that you more highly value having your own viewpoint given back to you by a like-minded person, that the potential threat of having your own viewpoint challenged from merely exposing yourself by someone else's experience.

I can't tell the motivation behind HopeJoy's posting. I assign the same assumption that by default, I grant to your postings, namely, that you are sharing something of your individual experience with us. I believe the same for HopeJoy. I cannot see inside her heart any more than I can see inside yours. I care for you both the same. You have value because you reflect the glory of God Himself! What a wonderfully valuable thing that is!

HopeJoy started by tossing her dream out there for public review - we didn't have to agree with it, it didn't have to fit our plans. She was upbraided and cornered, forced to justify herself for a non-hateful, non-racial, sterile, not aggravating, cold hard fact that her dream was her experience.

Do we need to form an impromptu council of dream posting approval? Surely not . I'm sure that you can see that the best way to handle the receiving of HopeJoy's dream was to just to take it for what it was. A dream, not a plan or a secret desire, or anything else, just a dream. You know if you read the interpretations by some of the old hands on this site, they say things like "dreams are just the inadvertent musing of our subconscious - don't think anything of it - it doesn't imply a prophetic influence, etc... ad nauseum"
Why, does a dream of a black president, have to suddenly become suspect of villainous intent and indicative of a criminally racist mind?

I'll bet that you are able to see my point and just maybe, could admit that this went a bit too far. I think that HopeJoy has more about her than you gave her credit for. After all, you even noticed that she quit posting, I chalk that up to her realizing the futility of continuing this exchange and a desire not to allow herself to be put into an environment that can have no good resolution.

Let's just agree to disagree without implications of wrongdoing or negative intent.

IrisRavenstar, you stick to the encouraging sunshine and we will all respect you for that. HopeJoy, keep on with reporting what is true to you, and we'll witness it, or not.

I'm done now

You ALL have a very good night.

[mwyna]

This really has got to stop.
JMR I happen to have great respect for e_mc02. I have shared personal dreams with him and value his opinion. Dreams I feel have been sent as personal warnings to myself. I could turn a blind eye to the fact they are a warning to me and throw them out there as a message to the world but that would be rather foolish of me. e_mc02 understands trust me.

For the rest of this arguement, seriously.....
My warnings throughout this post were among other things for the person posting the original message. She/he must be careful what is said for fear of drawing attention to themselves, unless that is what is wanted in that case feel free. However you should also be aware that too many posts such as these put entire sites like this one in the firing line and that is not fair to the rest of the people posting their dreams.

And for goodness sake people everyone just stop saying who loves God and who doesn't. Anyone who says they can judge that by a website post should consider their motives.