jesus will come back

[hazelflame]

Yea, that makes alot of sense to me. I believe reincarnation is real also. Mainly because of a dream I had before I married my Husband 5 years ago. Then to find out a year ago that he had the Exact Same dream as me.
Here is the Link:
http://www.sleeps.com/forums/prophetic-dreams/10686.htm

I believe its possible that it could be your sister as Freaky as that sounds. Because there is no Time to correlate with ours from the other Realms. I once heard about this women who went under hypnotist & saw that she died in a Car accident leaving her young Children behind. She was really sad at first but then was able to see them grow into Adults & watch over them. Although she explained it as time went by quickly...maybe like a story told.

I have a daughter 4yrs & son 22mnts. My mom past away 6yrs ago & I see he has her dark brown almond eyes & the same wild spirit....But who really knows. Life is like a big puzzle with trying to fit all the right pieces in.

[holydiver]

Hello. haselflame and cheribin101

Lucifer was one of the older brothers among Gods children, some of the eldest being Micheal, Gabreil, Jesus name started with a C, cant recall at this moment what it said in the bible. Jesus being the eldest, Lucifer i think being second eldest.

Lucifer was supposed to be born, but denied God, and also those who followed him, one third of heaven, or one third of Gods children. All lessor angels are those who never were born, they being afraid of change wanted to remain with God. It was Gods wish that all would do as he wanted, and obtain a body for the rezerection. But since they didnt want to, they were thrown out of heaven, part of that was because they convinced Adam and Eave to sin by telling them they could be more like God if they didnt mind him. It wasnt that not wanting to be like God was being like God, It was as children of God wanting to be like their father. So it was with Lucifer and the others. With Lucifer though, With there being a division of Power in heaven, the Holy Spirit or for a better word Gods Spirit being a different, as He is a messenger Spirit but of equal qulity as Jesus and God.

Once a person obtains life, they have done what God wanted them to do, even if they die as children or babys. This is why God allowes people to die without being baptized, because of their mental ability to comprehend though to what limit this extends, i am not sure. I just know that its about understanding whats right or wrong, and understanding that within what that person is doing or has done.

For that reason, i cant believe in reincarnation. It contradicts things. I also knew a guy that did hypnosis, my departed ex brother in law. While he was alive he said his previous life was Niel Armsrong, and he was living or had a overlaping life with my brotherinlaw. Whatever it was that went on, i dont believe he was ever Niel Armstrong. So whatever it was, it wasnt reincarnation, it would have been Remote viewing. There is much support for remote viewing, and not only that but i think its part of the design of God so we can figure things out.

Lucifer near the end will be thrown into the pit, and eventhough he refused to mind God, he is still forgiven and given a chance and let out of the pit. This even after he refused to be born, and causing Gods design a lot of problems. Some people believe that time is the sixth seal, and we would be in the 5th seal right now. With each seal being a day in heaven, like in the days of the week. So many believe because of what the bible says about a day being a thousand years in heaven, that a seal is 1000 years. I did some math because my calculator wouldnt do it, and figured 4 children per couple every 100 years, over four thousand years, and came up with like 50 billion people. I also figured that with a lot of death and destruction on earth, that the current number of people would be a exceptable number for that time frame. The first 1000 years i subtracted because of the flood.

Hell would be a total absence of God, a place that does not live, because all life comes from God. So would be a punishment for living beings, not for destruction. Kind of like prison or pergatory. But like prison there is a parole system in place, and if a parole system then their also being a way to fulfill the requirments that God set in order to enter heaven.

Even Jesus after he died, went where the dead were held, and was released the third day. This may depend on which bible you have read.

peace and love in Jesus.

[hazelflame]

Originally Posted by holydiver

Once a person obtains life, they have done what God wanted them to do, even if they die as children or babys. This is why God allowes people to die without being baptized, because of their mental ability to comprehend though to what limit this extends, i am not sure. I just know that its about understanding whats right or wrong, and understanding that within what that person is doing or has done.

For that reason, i cant believe in reincarnation. It contradicts things.

When I child or baby dies (for example) they dont live a Full life. Maybe there able to fulfill a Small purpose to those people around them....but Never had the Chance to seek out that Mental Capability.

Think of it as One-Long-Life. Each time we die we are giving the chance (If innocent/godly) to Continue on in human form where we Left off before because we never COMPLETED what we NEEDED to Learn from GOD.

If you followed my Link it was about 2 Children Dieing in a Fire. You dont have to believe it if you dont want but I believe I was Shown this for a Reason.
Godbless all
~Hazelflame

[cherubin101]

To holydiver

Have you ever read the Book of Enoch? If you read them they will tell you why we are here on earth and what is God relationship with Satan and all of his creation including Adam and Eve and Gods troops of angels and archangels rank. In this book it will also tells you the levels of heaven and why Satan rebels against God. This will tell you the Spirit world and the Human world where they talk about the paradise of Eden between corruptibility and incorruptibility. He also tells you his plan for us on the end when he comes.
This is some link of the book of Enoch if you want to know more The Book of the Secrets of Enoch
Many people had forgotten this ancient book and lost our way to find the real creator.

Also, You should not be confused between reincarnation and hypnosis. Reincarnation is a given chance for a human spirit that did not prove whether he will stand by God or not. This human spirit did not get a chance because someone took their life like murder or accident. They never get to prove themselves worthy in the eyes of God so God give them another chance until they complete their faith.
However hypnosis is often thought to be "a trance-like state that resembles sleep but is induced by a person whose suggestions are readily accepted by the subject.
If you get hypnotize by a person he will make you do things like bark like a dog or pretend to be Neil Armstrong like that. The person that get hypnotize will fallow what ever the person say and never know what happen to him. Some people use hypnosis on pain or addiction or mental problem some people use this also to do bad things. Hypnosis can open up another dimension or gateway they mostly open hell entity. Hypnosis can erase your past memory if they don’t know what they are doing. Hypnosis is the work of evil. Don’t let anyone hypnotize you. I see people do that for a bad purpose you will never know it until you wake up from being hypnotize. Have you ever seen the movie “Office Space”? It is funny! They person forgot to dehypnotize the main character.
Love and peace to all!

[holydiver]

Hello, cherubin.

Reincarnation, is not what Jesus tought, Its not mentioned one time in the bible. The book Enoch was deemed unworthy, and the originals lost, with to many interpretations to be a valid source. Im still waiting for a older copy to surface, like the copy of Noah that was found that predats all others by thousands of years. Sorry i cant recall the name of them, just doesnt come to my mind right now.

Jesus example was to show us that we could find out the truth from God by asking him, and to be baptized in order to achieve a rezerected state. Jesus is not God, He stated, Its not what my father in heaven told me to do, its what my father in heaven showed me to do. Meaning its by example of whats done. Even with Elijah the prophet going to heaven, it was so they could return later on. The same goes with us, because we are to return with a new city.

Mark Twain stated, the cure for religion is reading the bible. Im totally amazed at how many people state what they hear, or believe in a dream they had, without The Gift of the spirit having translated it or even asking God to interpret it for them. Any spiritual christain will tell you, if its from God its also in the bible, that confirms the things of the spirit.

Reading all those other things, makes the spirit have to use abstract symbols, which are not a base for other christains to use, and so those interpretations are much harder to symbolize outside that pattern.

Peace and love in Jesus.

[cherubin101]

hello holydiver,

This website is about reincarnation and the bible. They also talk about christian old ways belief about reincarnation.
Reincarnation and the Bible

For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come. (Matt. 11:13-14)

In the above passage, Jesus clearly identifies John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet. Later in Matthew's gospel Jesus reiterates it.

And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand."

Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)

John the baptist did not know his past life only Jesus knew. this verse tells you the similarity between John and Elijah.

John the Baptist: John's clothes were made of camel's hair, and he had a leather belt around his waist. (Matt. 3:4)
Elijah the prophet: He was a man with a garment of hair and with a leather belt around his waist. (2 Kings 1:8)

I guess people had forgoten the old ways of reincarnation.
Like what you said it is conflict with their interpretation of Christian doctrines. Now you should know they are real.

Godbless!

[holydiver]

Hello Cherubin101.

Im sure you mean well, though there are things your not understanding. One is that hebrew names like Elijah, or most christain names comming from hebrew nams, are name like God. David for instance means beloved of God, while Elijah means he who is likened to God. The Elijah of ball who was taken to heaven while still alive, with his body, is not the same Elijah you speak of. Thats because of the rezerection rule, that by being baptized we gain a rezerected state of being. That depending on our faith, if its complete then we may gain that rezerected state before death. One spirit put into one body. If they return, its to return in that body just as Jesus will. Those who do not believe that will believe the beast when he says he is Jesus.

The spiritual state of being comes from seeing, though developed by hearing truth. But hearing truth from a person who sets a proper example, therfore seeing how its done....... Actual faith exorsised is by living the example shown, more or less able to keep your word, as God keeps his. So proper Faith is in how a person lives their life. Faith without works is dead. Beliving something to be true without a standard to live by is worthless, like believing in baptizm and not doing it. So believing in reincarnation does not set a standard of what to do, so has no faith basis. To come back to mess up what you already messed up the first time, you are who you are, no matter if you forgot it. The reason for it is because of the body your matched with, as some people are incredibley nice looking and tend to do things differentley than those who are incredibley ugly, or overweight, or with illness or strong. Why get a new type of body with a new set of rules that doesnt match what you did last time? You going to learn from your mistakes? Thats because its not the way God intended.

Because we all have a basic personality we choose what we do because of our bodys condition, and the examples shown to us. People will drive fast eventhough the speed limit is posted because other people are doing it, and so even with believing in reincarnation.

Another propblem with dreams, is that they are either outcome dreams symbolically or they are destinations or plain symbolic. A reincarnation dream is of the symbolic form, not of the destination form. A desination dream is a form of outcome dream, based on a likness of personality that the mind can symbolize a outcome of events based on what everyone else is doing. This is because Its a gift that can lead to salvation, the place that we need to be baptized. Like with Peter and the people who had the Holy Spirit.

Most people only hear about God, they read a lot, so come to their own conclusion as to what the truth is, by others who missinterpret the bible. Its very rare to see anyone who by their own efforts seek out God to answer their questions, and gains absolute proof it was God who showed them. This is a form of faith by seeing. As each thing is shown a person their faith grows, and this is a gift from God. I know way to many people who open the bible and think it was lead by God, Or they ran out of Gas in front of their house thinking they were not going to make it home, and think it was God. Thats only believing its not real faith.

"Real Faith" comes from the struggle to do Gods will, to be saved! Dispite what all other people believe or think. With the struggle asking God what to do to keep from sinning because the world can not be trusted to save you, and praying, comes "The inspired word of God" comming from scripture of the bible. This shows anyone that only God can say what sin is, and the proper interpretation of scripture though salvation. "Real Faith" is following the example given you by someone who actually knows, nothing else is faith. Everything else is only believing, with no work to show for effort. Faith is a way of life, well noted by even the Hebrews. For everything they do is because of something God did to show them.

Elijah dealing with the prophets of ball had seen so much faith doing what God wanted that he didnt have any trouble proving anything to them. A true friend of God does what he wants, not what they want to do themselves. Because of that love for that friend they do what he wants of them. If Elijah came back he wouldnt have had any trouble at all convincing anyone of who he was. Clearly it was not the same Elijah the prophet.

If you do not recieve the inspired word of God, praying for what to do within the struggles of life to avoid sin to be saved, then you really dont know anything for a fact. It all falls down to what everyone else says. Not ony did Jesus have dreams, and visions because he prayed for what to do, and recieved the inspiried word from God that he did the right thing for the right reason, Peter went and showed the same thing.

You can read the bible, but unless you recieve the inspired word of God you cant know right from wrong. You cant explain it, or even for that fact know how its done. Jesus not only had to save himself, he placed the hole world on his shoulders, so he couldnt mess it up, and the only way he avoided messing it all up was to ask God what to do. In his struggle to find what he was looking for came the inspired word of God you read about. Just because you dreamed it, doesnt make it so when the odds are it was symbolic in nature, and will never lead you to a disination.

Peace and Love in Jesus.

[CandiDreamz]

Thank you very much for posting this dream .. i too had a dream in 2007 about Jesus return. In my dream I was in a White Domed Church with lots of other people, and Jesus appeared as a dark middle eastern or dark skin with thick hair in a white robe. I didnt get the feel of him being Jesus when i first laid eyes on him, but got the sensation to gravitate towards him because he was beautiful to look at. As I drooled he told me and all these other people that we were in the Church because the world was ending soon and he came to gather up his brothers and sisters . First i felt relief because i felt in my heart that i was going to be safe cause i was with jesus. then i started panicking because i started thinking about my children , mother, and family and noticed i was all alone so i tried to turn to head out of the church and i felt a force turn me around as easy as i was only a barbie doll but not roughly. but i turned around again . then all of a sudden i was out of the Church and on a cliff or mountaintop looking at buildings exploding as if they were being hit my missilles and then Jesus reappeared but he was no longer Human height but a giant the only thing i can see is a foot and an ankle .. I mean really gigantic... then it was if i was watching a movie or a doppler as Jesus foot was standing in california and he began to tell me as he stepped from California to Nevada that he takes care of all the states .. then i woke up .. i posted a while back but really got no responses just wanted to let you know that I can totally relate.. recently i have been having alot of dreams of star formations , multiple suns, i took a picture while not dreaming and i feel a if i can see jesus in there
so even if the end is near .. we come from a beautiful place.. and we are loved

[holydiver]

Thank you too CandiDreamz for posting

Your dream is about seeing the spirit of God move, or as we know it now, the Holy Spirit. When we pray for help, we must also be able to gain a certain understanding of what he wants from us, so he may place us in a situation that will help us to understand him. It can be destructive, only because our nature is to fight change, though change is often destructive in itself. The old way of thinking must go, in order to think in a new way that will allowe the belief that God can help. If something blocks his purpose he will change it, only because something was asked for in the first place. The change may not seem to have anything to do with what was asked for, but God may need to change something in order for you to achieve it. Because those changes are about you, and wont happen without lining yourself to Gods way.

The first lesson God teachs a person is how to learn from him, and it happens because we put our trust in him, with wanting to learn how to be a better person and live without sin. We often experiance a very clean feeling come over us when this takes place.

The second lesson tought to us if we can get past what others are telling us, is to follow the Holy Spirit. This is because with the current pastorships wanting to keep us within their church buisness to creat revenue for them.

By Gods design, we are meant to discover whats already there, and how we can use it, and that never stops. But within a pastorship we gain the first lesson, and are kept there because the sin caused it, then because of the pasorship we are tought to believe they will teach us how to avoid sin. Then if we dont keep up we backslide instead of learning. Then to correct any mistakes we make, we have to put ourselves out there in front of the hole party, to be judged, or kicked out. Our clean feeling being gone, which they didnt give in the first place.

Mine came when i had meet another women, who also said she was a born again Christain at the time. I wanted to be married to a lady i was seeing, and this became a conflict with me, because i didnt want to loose the lady i wanted to marry, but at the same time this other lady showed a promise beyond my current girl freind because she was a christian.

I asked God what i should do, and made a appointment with him to tell me on the next sunday in church. I had a dream that week, and this is what is was. I was flying a airplane, a one seater with a stick controler. The christain lady was also flying the same plane i was next to me. Up ahead of me i saw a jet, all shinny silver, and when i saw it, the lady next to me flew off uninterested. I flew up to the jet to see who was flying it, and saw no one inside as the jet was flying on autopilot. The instument pannel was all light up, with buttons blinking all over, then the dream ended.

I had gone over to my moms, and told her about the dream. She being a born again christain also, thought she might have an idea of the meaning, though she didnt.

I went to church that following sunday, looking for a dream interpreter. Kind of funny there are dream interpreters in the bible, but not in a Holy Spirit filled church as one of the gifts of the spirit. The normal routine of the church was messed up because a evangalist came in to speak a very important messege, so they didnt do the gifts of the spirit. The man stood at the pulpit, and said. When we fly a airplane, we need to have a owner manual, he holding up the bible to show everyone. That if we dont use our owners manual, we might find ourselves crashing into a mountain side because we didnt follow its instructions. As incredible as that was, i sank in my seat because the Holy Spirit inside me was screeming something was wrong. You could tell the man was looking for someone, looking around the room. There wasnt no way i was going to bring myself before everyone judgment.

Later i found out my mother knew this guy, and often spoke to him about me. So there was no way this was a Spirited inspiration given by God, to create a fake miracle before everyone. If it was intended to be that, then the church would have done their normal routine that morning, and recieved my dream for interpretation, and the dream interpreted becoming a miracle.

Thats when it occured to me, follow the holy spirit, because people will lie. So i did, and its not that it kept me from sin, because without sin, we cant know whats good, or who is not telling the truth, then God cant help us if we are stuck in a lie. God has to change that lie.

I ended up leaving that church, and it was shorley after that the church pastor was blamed for not teaching their poper doctrines, and the church congration split.

After that the christain women i had met, went her own way loosing interest in me because of my faith, and come to find out she really wasnt a christain, she just wanted to use me. I went ahead and married the women i was with.

After i decided to do what i intended, i was at work. The place i was working was closing down for good. They decided to have a dinner in the lunch room on the last day, and when that time came, a friend of mine named Earl came to get me, saying you'll miss it.

As we were standing in line, a angel came, better known as the Holy spirit. Most people think the angel says warning, but he says Look at what God has done because of your actions. I started looking around, because i had enough experiance to understand something was going to happen, but as i got up to the food, I figured it must be later. I had experainced things taking as long as a few months before the actual even took place. Earl said to me he had just the place for me to sit, and took me over to sit with him.

As i broke my role in half to butter it, it dawned on me what just took place. There i was sitting in the middle of a table looking at everyone, Just as Earl said, "It feels like the last supper". One of those moment in time you just want to put your hand in front of your face. The tables were aranged in such a way that, that table had no chairs on the other side, so to let people through to the other tables that were facing the other direction.

In short, that Inspired Word from God, means keeping your word. That if you say your going to do something, you should do it. I remembered i told God i would keep his word just before he granted me this gift. Thats because i cant keep his word, unless i keep mine too.

Peace and love in Jesus.

[cherubin101]

Originally Posted by holydiver

"Real Faith" comes from the struggle to do Gods will, to be saved! Dispite what all other people believe or think. With the struggle asking God what to do to keep from sinning because the world can not be trusted to save you, and praying, comes "The inspired word of God" comming from scripture of the bible. This shows anyone that only God can say what sin is, and the proper interpretation of scripture though salvation. "Real Faith" is following the example given you by someone who actually knows, nothing else is faith. Everything else is only believing, with no work to show for effort. Faith is a way of life, well noted by even the Hebrews. For everything they do is because of something God did to show them.

Hello Holydiver!

Ok I understand about your faith and believing but… how can you have faith if you do not believe?
You have to have both “faith and believe.”
You have to believe so your Faith is stronger.
John 20:27
Then Jesus said to Thomas,
"“Reach here with your finger and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see and yet believed.”
Thomas indeed has faith but did not believe.

How can a Christian say that he is doing Gods work? Or How does the Jews can say they are fallowing the scriptures?
Doing God’s work is to spread God’s words and do the things that God wants not what we want. You said that also.
Therefore how can you do this is just simply spread the Gospel.
(Revelation 22:7)
And Behold I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book.”

Im sure you mean well, though there are things your not understanding. One is that hebrew names like Elijah, or most christain names comming from hebrew nams, are name like God. David for instance means beloved of God, while Elijah means he who is likened to God. The Elijah of ball who was taken to heaven while still alive, with his body, is not the same Elijah you speak of..

I know that Christian got it from the Hebrew names.
I am also glad that you have brought that up.
Because in John 3:13 Jesus said this…
No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man (remember this part)
If Elijah is taken by a chariot of fire into heaven could this mean that he is also the son of man?
How about Enoch and Moses they are also taken? Are they son of man too?
Jesus died and resurrected and received the Holy Spirit before he ascended to heaven.
However Elijah, Moses, and Enoch did not die and ascended to heaven.
Elijah, of course, was taken up into heaven and never died
Where do you think they went?

This I want to remind you that Zachariah had no child, because Elizabeth was barren, and they were both advanced in years.
However; Mary is a virgin.
Archangel Gabriel is the one who told Zachariah and Virgin Mary about their unborn son who will be descended from heaven unto them.

Jesus and Elijah had already come. Jesus said this about Elijah...
"Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him."

Or (Matthew 11:13-14)
"For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come."
Jesus said IF. IF YOU ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT IT.
Does Jesus lied on this?

Jesus also said this to his people… "Truly, Truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” (John 8:58)

Jesus did not want anyone to know that he is Elijah because the main goal of Jesus Christ is to save all the nation.
If the people know that he is Elijah they would claim Jesus as their king but the goal of the prophecy is to die on the cross and be rejected by his people so as to fallow what has been prophecy.
Even when His disciples saw him with Elijah and Moses Jesus said this to his disciples (Mathew 17)
“Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man has risen from the dead.”
So to speak do not screw up the plan.
Jesus and John died because of the cruelty of this world so as Jesus disciples and people who believe in Jesus.

Everything is possible to God because he is "God".
Don’t you think that it is possible that there is reincarnation or born again?
What do you think what God meant about born again in John 3:3-8?
Truly, Truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Nicodemus said to Him. How can man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?
Jesus answered, “Truly, Truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.
Do not be amazed that I said to you, You must be born again.’
The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the spirit.”
Jesus clearly said be born again with no interpretation.

Jesus knows that Nicodemus was amazed that a person can be born again in the mother’s womb. Not that it has to be the same mother but in a different flesh. We all came from one source Adam and Eve. Father and mother of all nation.

What does Jesus really mean when he said to be born again? Is that really mean by being baptize or just simply be born again (reincarnate)?
If Jesus said it is baptize he mean baptize but when he said be born again means be born again.

Reincarnation has been a belief for thousands of years for orthodox Jews
In Hebrew, it is called "gilgul ha'ne'shamot," literally the recycling or transmigration of souls.
God’s creation is full of spirit because God is the Holy Spirit.
Wherever we look there is spirit. Every living thing that you see has spirit. The wind that we feel is the spirit.

Human soul does not return to human body because he is fat or ugly that he must improve his life.
The purpose of reincarnation is a chance for a soul to achieve a goal not achieved in a previous life and as a chance to reward man for fulfilling the desires of his Creator. Reincarnation has also been viewed as punishment for a sinner’s previous deeds. For example, a rich man who abused his power may come back as poor. If you are poor you consider yourself in hell like place. This person is paying his evil deed until; he learns his lesson on earth and completes that goal to receive the eternal life in heaven when the Creator comes.
How about the victim of the holocaust there are many people died specially Jews that never got a chance to accept God as their messiah?
How about children who died and never sin as an adult?
How about the people who doesn’t know God and away from civilization?
How about people that born to be reach and never had problem in life and never seek out God?
You see God wants us to have a second chance so we can enter the kingdom of God.
When we fallow God and do what he wish and die we can finally at rest in our grave until God comes to receive the eternal life with him.
It is like graduating from your school. We all have exam to take.
Does that make any sense to you?
I am not trying to prove anything to you that I am right about anything and I am not exercising that belief. I am just answering to your thoughts about your faith and belief. I don’t say this just to credit myself. Let’s just say it is my job as a fallower of God.
Very Good conversation though!

God bless!