Shaman

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Originally Posted by Squirrel

The question was not do shamans exist, the question was who and what they are. I repeat, there are no Native American shamans. You may think there are, but each tribe has it's own titles and except for those previously mentioned, shaman is not a term we indear or foster. No self respecting medicine person would refer to themselves as a "shaman" unless he is trying to teach the dull of hearing and needs a point of reference to "begin" with. As I said, it has become a misused catchall term. Why is it that we aren't labeled "Sangomas or Kahunas"? They are the same thing, healers and medicine people. A sangoma is a Zulu holy man/healer and Kahuna is basically the same thing from our Hawiian brothers and their title has been disrespected to the point of being just a slang term. But in reality a Kahuna is a master healer and spiritualist worthy of the term KAHUNA. So why not call Native Americans wise men/healers/medicine people KAHUNAS? In reality we are medicine people, medicine men, medicine women, medicine beings. "Medicine" referring to a healing or blessing energy, no matter what it is. And the "jesters" as you would refer to them ARE people of repute, healers, teachers and respected and revered. They play a vital and necessary part of tribal life, no less in stature than the tribal leaders. To disrespect one or think lightly of one is to invite trouble on ones self. This is why they are called "Sacred Clowns." Of course I don't expect understanding outside of native circles since Eurpoeans have no equal to this office. Humor is just part and parcel of our tool kit. And our tool kit is not the same for every people. A turtle shell rattle makes no sense to my people, we use gourd rattles. What the healer/medicine people use depends on their geographic local and what is available to them. I drum, rattle, use flute medicine, use a deer skin, tobacco, sage, copal, wild rosemary, herbal tea, whatever is usable locally. My plains brothers use a buffalo skin and skull, but that would make no sense to me since there are no buffalo where my people originated. For us (Yoeme) flowers are big medicine. For other tribes, flowers are just flowers. Our medicine people are medicine beings or curenderos (healers.) Not all of us work the same and a shamanic type of practice is no where close to what some of us may do, so why call us shamans? Simply because we do things that may be similar in practice does not make us shamans.

Squirrel,
What happened to your Welcoming approach from our Exchanges of Inbox Messages? (rhetorical question)
Im not here to argue with you, but since you think you are Superior then others I will send you my message here. Im only here to Respond to your Insultful private message.
1 Cor2:14-16
"The man without the spirit does not accept the things that come from the SPIRIT of GOD, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot Understand then, because they are spirtually DISCERNED. The spiritual man makes judgements about ALL things, but he himself is Not subject to any man's judgment:

For who has known the mind of the Lord
That he may Instruct him?

But we have the mind of Christ."

Dont ASSUME you know me....but if you were in Teaching ministry why dont you Practice what you Preach?
As for the CHIPS, that is just a way of FULLFILLING the Bible Prophecy...and NO it doesnt say that word in the Bible. BUT it does say that NO ONE could buy or Sell unless he had the Mark of the beast.

IF you look on the back of the $1 bill you will see a Pyramid with the ALL seeing eye (lucifers eye)
IF you look at the STAR above the Eagle that is the star that Peagons have used way before it was ever Adopted from the Jews only a few hundred years ago. It is ALSO called MERKABAH....which anything that uses Magic is part of SATANISM. (6 planes, 6 sides, 6 POINTS=666)
(WHy dont you start doing your research before assuming things you dont Understand)
CANTON TRUTH: Secrets Of The One Dollar Bill.

And this is the last time I will be speaking to you since you want to be RUDE which I dont have time for.

[ShamanMystic]

Term shaman doesn't bother me in the least bit and i'm a noaide see Sami shamanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My heritage is SAMI ie Sami people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

see also Finnic mythology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia