I’m pretty sure I met the devil.

[FlyingMaster]

And that hell is just a city in ruins

Dream:

I find myself in an unfamiliar city and begin to walk through the streets when I begin to notice things are a little off. I remember the colors of the city and the people’s clothing. There were quite a few people around and they seemed off too, different in the way they were walking and not really communicating to one another--almost like we all saw eachother but there was a barrier between us. Even though we were surrounded by others, we were each very alone. The people also had a strange look on their faces like they were empty and walking aimlessly.

After I noticed all of this, I became conscious that this could be a dream (as I have lucid dreams quite regularly) and decided to ask someone where I was. I approached one of the people who was walking by and asked her "what place is this?" and she looked at me with the most confused look on her face and then I knew that no one could communicate to one another here, like there was something that messed up the translation (I say this because it was very much related to the physicality of the place, the air). This is the point where I freaked out because in trying to deduce the reason for all of these peculiarities, I thought it very much resembled the I don’t know that I’m dead yet motif used in films. I thought I might be dead.

I was filled with dread, but still hadn’t completely ruled out the idea that I may just be dreaming. So I went on a mission to figure out if I was dead or just dreaming. I began trying very very hard to remember the last thing I did before I went to sleep (it was extremely difficult to recall memory from “real” life) and all I could remember was getting into my car to leave work (2:30am) and thought I might’ve been in a car accident as I've often driven home in the dark very very tired and worried about drunks driving on the same road. As I was thinking this, I noticed that far off in the distance there was a dark and foreboding smoke rising from another city. Immediately after I saw this my body was pulled up into the air and began moving towards it, traveling very quickly through the air. This city was dark and in ruins and I sensed it was a very bad place that I was moving toward involuntarily and thought, "No No No No No" like “son of a #*$& I'm actually going to hell” (I was actually very scared, but for some reason rather logical/conscious about the whole thing).

With dread, I was brought directly towards the center of this smoking hellish city and there, in the middle of a circle, was a man like creature chained by his leg to the ground. He was crouched down, almost in defeat. I assumed this was Satan but took note that he was very different than what I've imagined the devil to be like (I always thought of Satan as someone/thing who perceived himself as having power, but here he was in much despair and internal pain and, because of this, was filled with intense hatred for everything). He was very thin with pale unhealthy looking skin--scary whiteish eyes, rotting teeth, red sore lips. I actually found myself wishing I could ease his suffering. When he rose to look at me, I heard the chain move. Our interaction wasn't in words but there was some sort of offering to me which I, of course, refused (Faust was not lost on me!). As soon as I internally declined this creatures offering my body was swiftly moved backward toward the city I was originally in and my eyes snapped open awake.

[Varzandeh]

Dreaming Devil means a bad religion, liar, deceiver , disappointed from good deeds who teaches people evil and corrupt.
If dreamt was fighting the devil and defeated satan means he is an honest person.
If dreamt devil defeated him means he likes evil and corrupt.
If dreamt devil spoke to him means he will choose evil and will stop praying and obeying God.
If dreamt devil advised him and he was agreed means a money loss and illness.
If dreamt devil took his hand and took him somewhere means he will do a big sin.
If when going he was remembering God means he will stop that sin by advice an honest person.
If dreamt chained the devil means believers will receive a happiness.**** **** So, the believers will have a relief or something good in your city, the ruined city means misled empty people as you saw.************

If dreamt devil was poor means honest people will receive power.
If was obeying devil means will have temptations.
If devil grant him something good means will have some immoral money.
If it was bad means a corrupt in his belief.
If dreamt devil was happy means people will do great crimes and evils.
If dreamt he was fighting devil with a sword and wanted to kill him and devil ran away means you will receive some greatness.
If dreamt he killed the devil means he will overcome the temptations.

[Wolfjk]

Hi Flying Master,
Very nice writing!
One of the important functions of dreams is to keep us entertained while we sleep. Dreams have countless methods of diverting us from our troubles and tribulations when negative thoughts would surely wake us up. I think this was one of those dreams when your thoughts wanderd to things you wanted to do or goals you wanted to achieve but prevented by circumstances.

(Faust was not lost on me!).

I think the predicament of Prometheus was also on your mind!
Cheers Wolfjk

[FlyingMaster]

I very much appreciate your responses to my dream. It helps to hear different ways of thinking about meeting the devil! To Varzandeh: How do you come up with the meanings of the symbols you post on everyone's dreams? It sounds like Wolfjk attempts to bring the dream world into perspective, coming up with common sense answers to particular dreams, but your interpretations seem to come from somewhere else...

How do you get the meaning of the symbols?

[Varzandeh]

Hi,
I don't say by myself , these interpretations are from prophets like Daniel the prophet or other holy books or mythology.
Dream language interpretation is an ancient science of allusions and pointing of the surrounded environment, as Mr. Einstein has said the events are like train stations which exist and we are moving towards them, these are prewritten destiny with some authority ( in decision making seconds) in very full details. This dream language should be translated, and interesting to know it is international and common for all human beings. But ignorance causes some misunderstanings.People were not aware of this language and always thought in a bad way , for example Mr. Freud said about sexual dreams it is because you have suppressed your sexual desires so misled everybody and some women dreamt about having sex with co-workers or another and thought they should do that, while it only meant he will do something for her, or some others dreamt had sex with the same sex and invented homosexual, while it meant the same ,Also some men dreamt his wife had sex with a man and didn't understand or a woman dreamt her partner had sex with a woman and didn't' understand ...etc.Do you see what catastrophes are caused by misunderstanding a language. About the approximate interpretation time table: Dreams at noon or exactly at midnight( In the summer time 13 at noon and 1 midnight else at 12)in the same day if past a few minutes, a few days later. Dreams at 10-11 in the morning in 15-30 days later. Also dreams at 3-4 in the evening in 1-2 months .Dreams in the sunset mostly are not truthful and are messed, they have no interpretations, Dreams at 4-5 in the morning in a few days to 2 months some dreams in the holy books( Josef dream of kneeling the sun and the moon and 11 stars)was interpreted after 20 years and other dreams of the Pharaoh's prisoners interpreted in the same day and after 7 years. Dream of Pharaoh about the 7 thin cows and 7 fat cows interpreted from the next year to 14 years. Also dreams in 6th of the month will interpret after 1-2 days, in 9th at the same day, in 10th after 20 days, in 13th after 9 days in 14th after 26 days and in 15th after 3 days, in 16th after 2 days and in 28th ,29th ,30th in the same day, but these are solar (Persian months and you should refer to a calendar or convert them) . Of course there are different kinds of dreams , like messy dreams which have no interpretations or deja vu dreams, or psychological dreams or dreams which are caused by bad food or drinks.

Bibliography:
1- Principles of the dreams, by Daniel the prophet (562-604 B.C) Peace be on him.
2-Divisions of the dreams, by Imam Sadeq peace be on him ( 663-798 A.C).
3- Generals of the dreams, by Mohammad ibn Syrin ( 690 A.C).
4- Guides in the dreams , by Jaber ibn Hay'an( Father of the new chemistry)
5- Interpretations, by Ibn Ash'as ( 840 A.C).
6- Complete interpretations, by Habish Teflisi ( 1180 A.C).
7- Treasures of the dreams( Al Ma'moni) by Abd al Salam ( 963 A.C).
Good luck.

[Charlotte Spicer]

Hi, there. I would like to take some time to really think this through and with the length of it, it will take me quite some time. Often I spend over an hour with a 10 line dream, but yours is quite lengthy and detailed. I simply love it.

To be honest? I'll say this since you are so experienced with lucid dreaming. To be honest, there are only certain elements that say this is a dream. It has an equal number clues to being an astral projection. I think you are totally capable of it if you don't already know that. Your name is interesting. <grin>

I would like to meditate on this and get back to you, okay? Hopefully this weekend.

Regards,

~Charlotte.

[FlyingMaster]

What you have suggested might be occurring in my dream has me very excited to hear your take on it (sorry it is so lengthy). Even before you had posted on this thread, I had read a couple of your interpretations of other posters dreams and thought that they were very detailed and incredibly interesting so I'd love to hear what you might have to say about mine.

To be honest, I had ruled out astral travel a few years ago because the descriptions I had been finding on the web didn't seem to fit what my dreams were like (beside the point that it is hard to believe). But things on the web are often contradictory, so I'm very open to hearing about such possibilities, as I know I have certain dreams that are quite different from others.

It's neat that you noticed my handle as it is descriptive of my favorite dreams, I absolutely love my flying dreams and have been able to become better at them over time (one of them was so amazing--I actually discovered a place high above the world where a lot of the other "fliers" have been living in their own communities (with their own very long history) and I learned in the dream that flying is genetic and was passed to me through my grandmother's Norwegian bloodline. What a trip!

Anyway because your posts seem so helpful, I would be interested to know how you first became interested in dreams and dream interpetation. Are there a lot of reference texts that you use? Is it something you just naturally do? I guess I’m hungry for knowledge eh?

[idgy]

Flying master,
It's always good to hear that someone is a regular lucid dreamer. If you can do it naturally, you are quite lucky (it takes some people a lot of effort to get there). I have also 'woken up' in some strange places. Some good and some not so good. Something that I have managed to do lately may help you, if you can remember it when you become lucid. Do you meditate in daily life? Try to get your astral body into the lotus position and then mediate when you are lucid. It is hard to remember to do this, but if you do, it is well worth the effort. This postion seems to generate an amazing energy in which you are in control. Just mediate through anything scary and do not be distracted. Everything else in your dream will just drop away.

I think that lucid dreaming can be used as advanced spiritual practice. Look up about Tibetan Dream Yoga.

[FlyingMaster]

Originally Posted by idgy

Flying master,
It's always good to hear that someone is a regular lucid dreamer. If you can do it naturally, you are quite lucky (it takes some people a lot of effort to get there). I have also 'woken up' in some strange places. Some good and some not so good. Something that I have managed to do lately may help you, if you can remember it when you become lucid. Do you meditate in daily life? Try to get your astral body into the lotus position and then mediate when you are lucid. It is hard to remember to do this, but if you do, it is well worth the effort. This postion seems to generate an amazing energy in which you are in control. Just mediate through anything scary and do not be distracted. Everything else in your dream will just drop away.

I think that lucid dreaming can be used as advanced spiritual practice. Look up about Tibetan Dream Yoga.

Hi Idgy. It is pretty amazing that there are people who are taking their dream lives in so many different directions. I'm wondering if the advice you are giving me won't pay off more in the future as I had the strangest experience the other night. I wanted to share it with you because I am still uncertain about the nature of what is going on.

The dream itself was overall very uneventful, but the sensation was something I have yet to experience...I was simply dreaming that I was in my old hometown staring in the window of my mother's old hair salon. It was at night and there were people in it messing around so I was pretty sure it was a full dream at that point. So, I turned around and stood on the curb of the sidewalk. I then thought of Charlotte's post on here and her suggestion about the possibility of astral travel (odd that the real life memory was so accessible). So, I decided to try it and actually "go" to the place I was dreaming about. Up until that point I was walking on the ground, but suddenly I was flying/floating over the curb and had the feeling that I left myself. Everything became VERY realistic (besides the flying part : there was a disparity in temperature as it felt cold outside but I felt a warm tingling and buzzing sound, the physicality of the place was so clear with all of the buildings and streets and trees where they should be. All I did was look around me and then fly over to the gas station right next to the hair salon. There was only one person getting gasoline there, as it must’ve been very late/early in the morning. I remember thinking that I hoped I remembered this when I woke up and that I should go back to dreaming and not try anything too big my first time. Then I think I went back to dreaming, but I don't remember anything after that.

What I’m wondering is if this experience is real or if it a matter of internalizing ideas about dreams that I read into my dreams themselves. What do you think?

[idgy]

Hello Flying Master,
Sounds like you are having some fun in your dreams. I’m not an expert to be able to say for sure it was astral travel, but I can compare it what I have experienced myself and what I have read. I presume you were sleeping at night (silly question I know), but when you found yourself outside, did you feel the sensation that it was really sunny daytime with fresh, cool air? Was the town the same but different? Can you remember if it was a different texture? More fluid and less solid?

Certainly the buzzing sound in your ears is a common sensation from Astral travel. When I first had an out of body experience, the first thing that was apparent was the buzzing noise.

I certainly think that what you have experienced is real. I think that everything is energy and that our bodies have different layers, one of them being the astral or dream body. This has a higher vibration than your physical body. I also believe that there are many dimensions that we are unable to see with our waking eye, but that it is possible to travel to during sleep. Compare it to a radio station. You are tuned into one station only (during waking hours), but that doesn’t mean that the others don’t exist, they’re just on a different wavelength. Your astral body whilst asleep is able to cross that line.

Sounds like you are well on you way to becoming a flying master.