Discussion- Christianity

[zrabit]

Well uh, is it possiable you can talk to your gaurdian angel? haha.
I don't know, strange topic I'm on. but hey..

Something tells me you can but you should only talk to God.

[Laucashel]

My religion is Aglipayan, this church is founded in the Philippines by father Gregorio Aglipay. This is the Philippine Independent Catholic Church. If you want to know the history of it read the Philippine history under Spanish time/rule. I now live in England, UK since 1994 and I go to the church of England. I already posted this question "Who wrote the Bible" in this site. Have a look of the comments and replies if you are interested. It was my dream/vision on the 9th of September "Who Wrote the bible?". As soon as I woke this question was inside my head and when I opened my eyes, it was still very clear inside my head. I belive that the Holy Spirit is guiding me and preparing me to answer the many questions to come about my books. I dreamt of the title of my first and second book. My first book, the title I dreamt that I was writing "The Messages", when I woke up the style and positions of letters were very clear inside my head. This is miscellaneus prose and poetry, published in Great Britain in Dec. 2006. In the first part of this book, I have written my life experiences which was full/chain of tragedies that only God knows how I cope with. This is my testimony of the power and love of God. The second part is the messages I have received through dreams that mostly turned into reality. The third part is miscellaneous, about God, my words of wisdom, and what's happening around the world. My poetry have already inspired people of different nationalities around the world. It is available online, signed copy is available in my website. I started writing poetry when I kept dreaming night by night and really helped me. I then became a member of poet,com and writing greatly improved. I met many international writers through this site and tmany said your writing is great, some said your messges are powerful why not spread to the world, others said why not write a book, this is how I become a published author. God/Holy Spirit works in mysterious way that it just happened, it was not my plan to become a writer but it was my dream that I was writing the story of my life. My second book, the title is also my dream in which I dreamt that I was writing "The Mesasages of My Dreams". This is my dream diary (prophecies, warnings and reminders) over 350 pages, it is now in editing and and it was delayed because my one editor got ill and I know there is a reason for that. While waiting for the editing to finish, a mysterious thing happened to me that I can't explain but I know God/Holy Spirit works in mysterious ways. I had dreams/visions in one week (October 10-16) Green big snake, A very big mountain with two small hills on top of it, Floating Star sign, Floating Big Wooden Cross, Floating Big (?) question mark , and the floating big word "HONESTY". I felt that these are more in visions because as soon as I woke, these things I could see inside my head and when I opened my eyes I could still see in few seconds. After these visions/dreams, I am discovering many important things everyday, very meaningful. Through these dreams/visions I have written my third book,(second poetry book) "My Conversation With God,Against Satan" my seven days diary. The second part of this book are the selected poems from first poetry book and the latest poems/proses I have written, over 150 pages. What I feel, whichever first to finish the editing will be the first to be published. My publisher is waiting. The most important in our everyday life is "HONESTY" the best policy which is my dream/vision in Oct.16. If yuo live with almighty God everyday, believe and love Him , you are honest and afraid to tell a lie and do bad things because you know what will happen. I know I am being guided by the Holy Spirit to write these books. I trust everything to God, His Will be done. By: Laureana Cacho Sheppard, www.lauriescreations.co.uk

[screaminvern]

So... What is everyone's interpretation of the Holy Spirit?

[JR1]

Originally Posted by Sable

I would just like to discuss various topics from the Bible. Just a friendly discussion and maybe debate on beliefs.

Interesting. I was baptized when I was young an spoke in toungues. The scriptture is true. I am from the pentacostal-charasimatic faith. I have been at a few churches as I have moved through a few states Apostolic and non-denominational. The bible as speaks of repenting and accepting the Lord as your savoir then you are saved. Thats true as well. I dont like to get caught up in doctrine back and fourths to much. I know for a fact that the Holy Ghost himself can come and baptize you in the spirit. Baptizing is an outward expression of an inward committment and symbolic of you going through the death and burial process with Jesus. Ive known folk to get water sprinkled on them in the mist of service after repenting and the preacher man baptizing a mass of folk at one time and folk fall out in the spirit and speak in toungue. What ever folk decide to believe I say just seek God for the understanding and sharpen your ear to his voice and go with your heart in what He says. He wont sterr you wrong. I dont want to limit God. I just think we need to be careful not to limit ourselves. The scriptures are so full and have diverse interpretations as God gives the meaning. Folk used to kill me when they debate over whether to be baptiszed in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost or in the name of Jesus. Craziness. I personally say just get saved and build that relationship and be lead by God in what He wants you to do in your case.

Bless You All,

[Sable]

I was actually thinking about the Holy Spirit last night JR1 and whether or not you have to have it. I am not going to change my beliefs on that you have to have it, but when the time comes God will choose who goes to Heaven and who doesn't... actually I would be really happy if you do not have to get the Holy Spirit because that would mean a lot of followers wouldn't be able to go...
Before they start opening the seals in Revelations they are talking about some churches and what each must do in order to get into heaven I think... here are the verses:
Revelations 2
1: Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2: I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4: Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5: Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
6: But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
8: And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9: I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10: Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
12: And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13: I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
14: But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15: So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
16: Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
17: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
18: And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19: I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20: Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21: And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22: Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23: And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24: But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25: But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26: And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28: And I will give him the morning star.
29: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelations 3
1: And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
2: Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3: Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4: Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5: He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
7: And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8: I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9: Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11: Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12: Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
14: And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16: So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17: Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19: As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21: To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Does this perhaps have anything to do with the different beliefs in Christianity?

[Sable]

Originally Posted by screaminvern

So... What is everyone's interpretation of the Holy Spirit?

I believe that the Holy spirit and God and Jesus are the same and that you can receive the Holy Spirit by repenting of your sin, then being baptized (although it happen to me out of order I repent was filled with the Holy Spirit then got baptized)
hope that answers your question

[cherubin101]

Why people argue about their own beliefs for the sake of religion?

Have you not known that this is the work of Satan?
He divided you all by creating your own beliefs.
He created arguments so you will fight each other.
When did God said create a religion when Yashua himself is a Jew?
He gave you love and compassion to one another not division.
What is the Message of the Seven Churches in Revelation?
What did Yashua said when he warned you about the last day?

For false Christ and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
Behold, I have told you in advance.
So if they say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness, do not go out, or Behold, He is in the inner rooms, do not believe them.
Matthew 24:24-26

What does Yashua said about the kingdom being divided?
He said this….

"Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?
(Matthew 12:25-26)

This is the same tactics Satan uses to divide us so the kingdom of God will not stand.

Revelation is about tearing down the Church of Satan because he and his angels came down here to be worship and to be fallowed by men.
Man is enchanted by his teaching because this is what he does. You can only be free if you choose your own heart by accepting the Holy Spirit within you and doing the works of God.
Haven’t you all realized Revelation is about Angels, Satan, and churches (Religious Babylon)?
I am telling you this because most of the people who will be affected by Revelation are the righteous people who are under church. Do not choose church over God like the Pharisee chooses Sabbath over Yashua. The real Church of God is now inside of you when Yashua died at the cross.

I hope people who study the scriptures understand this message. I hope you all understand that it is true what Yashua said…

”Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you.”

Do not weep for the church. Come out now!
God doesn't want to compete again with your church and end up punishing you.
Do not worry about the wickedness of this word God will handle them in His own terms.
Let evil reveal itself and stay firm in your faith.
Let evil be gather up. Do not be afraid!
Evil can only destroy itself by being evil so let him do what he wants.
You people do not need to reveal what is evil because evil will reveal itself.
Just stay away from being judgmental toward each other so in this way you are not going to face God’s judgment.

that is all!
God bless you all!

[Laucashel]

The First word of Jesus when He was on the cross "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do" After reading Lord's word, I have my own word to those who mocked and laughed at me "My God, my Lord forgive them even they know what they do". Millions of people, thosands of beliefs and hundreds of religions but God is only one. Believe, trust and love the Almighty God then you will be happy and you will be saved. Love one another for peace.

[Sable]

Well cherubin I do not understand some of what you are saying, but let me attempt to answer your questions.
First of all I am a pretty strange person. I like to debate. I do not do it to divide, but more to better understand others. My friend and I debated on some pretty strong topics and we still are best friends and remain undivided.
Just because you argue does not mean you will be divided. People should have healthy debates to help at better understanding others.

[Sable]

Originally Posted by Laucashel

The First word of Jesus when He was on the cross "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do" After reading Lord's word, I have my own word to those who mocked and laughed at me "My God, my Lord forgive them even they know what they do". Millions of people, thosands of beliefs and hundreds of religions but God is only one. Believe, trust and love the Almighty God then you will be happy and you will be saved. Love one another for peace.

The Bible also says for you to forgive. I have forgiven the people I felt have done me wrong and it really helps. The world would be a better place if everyone could forgive. There would be a lot less sadness, anger, ect. Forgiving people has helped me get past my some of my own anger and pain.