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there is an interesting stories of dreams in the bible: Joseph was the son of Israel, one day he had a dream that he would rule over his brothers. The brothers didn't want this to happen, so they sold Joseph to a passing Egyptian caravan. A few years later, Joseph translates two dreams for two people while in prison. when one of those two people left prison, he tells the pharaoh how talented Joseph was. So Joseph gets the opportunity to translate Pharaoh's dreams. Joseph is successfully and becomes second in command of Egypt (which included his brothers).
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Hi Thachalatch,
Although I welcome your comments, is there a question? In my last comments, I suggested how precognitive dreams arise to prepare us for some eventuality rather than provide opportunities to alter future events. Your reference to a passage in the Christian Bible appears to support my position. The actions of Joseph's brothers did not change the future Joseph foresaw in a dream. DrmDoc
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Hello all, i'm a newcomer here...
wow..this site is really amazing!.. Btw, i have many questions i would like to ask..this is one of them. Why do we have repeated dreams? (so sorry if u guyz have had this discussion before) A few years back, i had this dream, about my dad..we were in a hall of a very fancy hotel in europe (well, at least i thought it was in europe, since it has many hirogliefs and statues on top of its pillars). i was standing in the middle of a 'not very wide hall', just about 2m wide. And my father was standing there in front of me. In his hands (both of them) were bouqet of blood-red roses (or it seems to be like red roses).. He walked towards me, and gave me the bouqet, no words said from him, just giving me the bouqet..and walked pass me, going outside the hotel. For a minute, i was puzzled by the flowers he gave me, and a second later i felt like he was going to leave me for sure..(like being abandoned or something like that). I turned my back and started crying and calling my dad to come back. But he kept walking. And in the end, i went up to a 'teras-like' place, and i saw my dad (from the upstairs teras) walked outside the hotel and didn't even look back. I cried my tears out, and a second after i woke up with tears running down my face. A few days later, i have the same dream...the same.. And i ended up having tears on my face when i woke up. It repeated about 3 - 4 times, but not consecutively... And while i was dreaming, i even remembered how my dream would go... What does that mean? It's not the first time i have repeated-dreams in my sleep, and most of the time, while i was dreaming, i would know how my dream's happenings (the things that are going to be said, who will appear, etc)..and sometimes if my dreams are bad, i even could stop it from happening, since i know how it goes. Why do i have dreams like that?
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Hello Dee-Uhz,
Dreams, from my study and experience, are primarily about influences from our conscious experiences that have a persistent unconscious affect on our mind and emotion as we sleep. Dreams that repeat reflect the influences of those experiences that remain unresolved. Often, our conscious experiences will cause us to relive or re-experience thoughts and feelings from our past. It is likely that your repeated dream reflects the way your life experience causes you to re-experience thoughts and feelings from your past. If I may also add, there are strong indications that your dream could be a form of ADC (after-death-contact). ADC are the dreams we experience in the moment of a loved one's passing when their departing soul seems to reach-out to us. I hope this helps.
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Hello Holydiver,
In a previous post to Hotshots, I talked about the potent influence of religion on our psychology and how, in my opinion, our dreams primarily reflect the persistent and potent influences upon our psychology. If our dreams reflect our psychology, then they reflect what we deeply think and feel regardless of the validity of those thoughts and feelings. It may be that the things we've come to think and believe about dreams are validated by our dream experiences because our dreams primarily describe whatever we may think and believe whether or not those thoughts and beliefs are valid. So the question is, how do we validate our ideas about dreams and dreaming without the bias of our personal belief? My interest in dreams and dreaming from the very beginning was in the truth even when that truth was an affront to my personal beliefs. The validation my dreams experiences seem to provide over the years was not sufficient proof of my beliefs validity. I think that validation of our ideas must also come from sources beyond personal or subjective experience. In my search for objective validation of my beliefs and ideas about the nature of dreams, I turned to science and established methods of logic and reason. Following these method, I soon learned that any idea we form about the nature of dreams should apply universally to all dreaming animals. This meant that to find the truth about dreams, we have to investigate why other animals appear to dream as well. My investigation as to why we and other animals dream took my research back in time (over 540 million years) to the very first forms of life in the fossil record of life on earth. In my journey forward to contemporary life forms, I learned how and why we dream by following the likely path of development of the dreaming brain. Empirically, dreams as products of our psychology are not possible without the neurological structure we have evolved to support dreaming. I firmly believe that we risk misinterpretation and self delusion when we form any ideas about the true nature of dreams without a substantial basis in brain evolution. For example, many prominent dream researchers believe the muscle paralysis we appear to experience while dreaming was evolved to prevent the sleeper from acting upon dream content and causing self injury. My research shows that what we experience isn’t muscle paralysis and that our lack of locomotion while dreaming evolved as a function of sleep in ancestral animals before those primitive animals evolved dreaming brains. The footprints of that evolution resides in the brains of every dreaming species. In my view, how our brain evolved to dream explains why we dream, why dreams are forgotten easily, and why our eyes move while our bodies remain motionless. Our brain’s evolution even explains the content and language of our dreams. In my opinion, the foundation of our ideas and truths should be clear, firm, and supported by independent evidence. I welcome your further thoughts.
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Hi Harry,
What would you like to know?
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"Are you bored with life? Then throw yourself into some work you believe in with all your heart; live for it, die for it, and you will find happiness that you had thought could never be yours." Dale Carnegie |
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I beleive thAT dreams are omens from God.....I don't think that any scientist can explain why u can have a dream and it happens in the future.
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Hi Luna,
I understand how science sometimes seems to take all the mystery, majesty, and joy from many of the ideas and experiences we hold dearly. If one wants to ignore or disagree with science, then that is one's choice. However, a denial of science does not invalidate the enlightenment and progress it has brought to humanity. Unfortunately, we cannot return to the Eden of blind bliss, faith, and belief given the increasingly perilous nature of human existence. We need to know as much about ourselves and the true nature of our experiences so as not to be misled into potentially harmful and backward ways of thinking and living our lives. Science, when rightly applied, lifts the veil of ignorance so that we may all benefit. Because of science, we understand more about the nature of ourselves and our universe and, consequently, humanity has received immeasurable benefits from that understanding. If one is sincerely interested in a path to truth, science is the foundation of that path. Without the understanding of dreams and dreaming that science can provide, we risk being misled by beliefs and ideas that are no more than fairytales passed from grandparent to child. Science can and does explain more than many of us care to believe about the true nature of our dream experiences.
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"Are you bored with life? Then throw yourself into some work you believe in with all your heart; live for it, die for it, and you will find happiness that you had thought could never be yours." Dale Carnegie Last edited by DrmDoc : 09-28-2008 at 10:34 PM. |