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Hey folks, I am new here, and have been wondering for a very long time the meaning of some of the dreams I have had.
I have written the dreams down but they are all far too lengthy, as I seem to always remember every bit of detail after having them, so I'll just write up a brief note. I have had several dreams now, each with one particular recurring motif: a cloud appearing on the horizon, utter fear, silence before it, preparing defences, attempting to make a stand. In the first dream I awake to find myself in a fortress, with many men under my command. Always I am waiting for something, something bad, but I never quite know what. The land is quiet, awaiting something. After some time waiting dust clouds appear all across the horizon, and I somehow immediately know it is the arrival of a massive army. In these dreams always dust appears on the horizon, signalling something great and bad coming. I feel fear, utter fear, and in the first dream I stood and died, another I watched the approaching hell, before running for the back exit in fear trying to find a way out of the fortress. I would suddenly think of my family and try and find them. I found my dad, begged him to come run with me, but he refused. After much anger, fear and thought I decided to stand and face the oncoming army, though I was sure we'd all die. The dream flicked black and I awoke to find myself looking upon the retreating enemy from the fortress. We had won. I was joyous, though I was so sure we would not make it out. A third dream I was with some girl in a green land, afternoon lit, and we both knew something bad was coming. We had to cut through these trees to get away, otherwise we'd be stuck and subject to whatever it was that was coming. Again the land around was deeply quiet, awaiting something, much like the first dream. After cutting through trees I gave up, feeling hopeless and scared -knowing that whatever was approaching would get us if we didn't pass this obstacle as I knew it as. I looked behind me and I could see clouds arising from the horizon, from something's tread. Fear took me and then billowing storm clouds appeared in the sky, coming toward me fast. I would awake before the clouds reached me. Anyway I believe this cloud rising from something's tread over the horizon, the fear of waiting for it, always fear, may have been symbolic for something in life? Something in the future, yet to come? Myself in the fortress with men I believed to be me making defences to fight off whatever was coming, bracing / preparing myself for the oncoming danger. Sometimes I would buckle and give way, others I would buckle, but stand again and win. Also each of these dreams always seemed to be set during dusk or the afternoon as well. Never any other time. Any ideas please? Also I remember dozens of dreams where always I'd be traveling in my hometown for where a tower rises from the houses and trees. In these dreams I had to go to get answers or to find someone and always I'd see the tower in the middle of town or on the horizon somewhere. I knew I'd have to go there. The last dream was when I was accused of something, and was being chased and I had to run for my life, all alone, scared, no one caring. I saw a tower in the bush, on a hill, and decided to go there. When I go there It was a fortress-village, shaped like a giant tower. I went inside, up stairs and found solitute, a sanctuary. Always these kind of dreams feature a tower, one that looks like an electrical tower in real life, 100 metres tall, at least 2km from my house in a bush reserve. I feel this is symbolic as in all of these dreams I always feel I have to go there. Could it be that I seek a new place to go, or is there something or someone I always go to for help? Always this tower captures my attention in dreams, some place I feel I have to go. Always I never reach this tower (except in the last dream when I was being chased). Last edited by Mashek : 06-15-2007 at 10:17 AM. Reason: Mistakes |
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Hi Mashek,
While it’s always best to have a lot of background information about the dreamer before attempting to analyze a dream, the fact that the dreams you’ve provided are repeated so often makes it possible to give at least a tentative general interpretation based on some fairly stable dream motifs. One way of looking at the dreams about the dust clouds on the horizon is that there may be some basic underlying feelings of anxiety that could appear under certain stressful circumstances. Trying to cut through the trees may relate to dealing with old habits and attitudes which tend to never be overcome in spite of continued efforts. Perhaps a sort of entrenched outlook leans toward making you a potential target for feelings of unease since it’s possibly not being dealt with enough. The overall general danger might be that of tending to be overwhelmed by possibly something like aggressive emotions (army) built up from resentment at being unable to live out some deeply felt part of yourself (the girl who helps cut through the trees). This could potentially be the “night” of the unconscious that would follow the “afternoon” of the current ongoing situation that appears in most of your dreams. You don’t mention if you consciously feel very anxious sometimes already. Perhaps it’s as you said, something that you feel could possibly appear in the future. In any case, the dreams also seem to contain hints of how to ultimately handle any such feelings of anxiety. The main helpful image and what it symbolizes, the tower, would be something valuable to concentrate on. However, many symbols contain multiple meanings and without knowing the spontaneous thoughts, memories and feelings that come to your mind about each image including the tower, it may not be really possible to hit upon the correct meaning of any given symbol in your dreams very well. But what follows are various ideas that relate to the possible meaning of the tower in your dreams. For example, symbols are built on analogies, so in a basic way towers symbolize “ascent” above the common level in society. The ambivalent quality here is related to the fact that this “ascent” can either be spiritual or egotistical in nature. The spiritual idea comes from the fact that towers “connect” heaven and earth (the unconscious with the ego for example) and therefore can be a sort of conduit of wise counsel. In a similar vein, the Virgin Mary is symbolized by a tower. Ascent has also been connected over the centuries with transformation and evolution, and towers were often considered by a society that built them to be the center of the world, a potent symbol of calm and wholeness. It looks like this particular motif appeared in one of your dreams. The other side of the coin relates to the idea of the verticality of a tower being similar to the upright stance of the human figure (as opposed to horizontal animals) and therefore carrying the possibility of individual or societal inflation and chaos as in the Tower of Babel story. Similarly, the sixteenth enigma of the Tarot pack with its tower destroyed by lightening also is related to this idea of the ego overreaching itself. However, your last dream about a tower seems to place it squarely in the area of spirituality and meaning since it becomes a sanctuary for you. Going to your hometown and the idea of trying to find answers (meaning) seem to support the central importance of the tower in helping to find a way out of any potential anxieties about your life-course overall. Also, the idea of an electrical tower hints of its overall regulating of the flow of your energies toward a feeling of wholeness and calm in the midst of difficulties. As mentioned, it’s usually not possible to provide too accurate an interpretation without knowing more about the dreamer, but if a few of these ideas seem to hit the mark in some way, you might like to explore your dreams further in order to enlarge on them. A good book to start with would be analyst Robert Johnson’s “Inner Work” because it not only covers dreams in a reliable way, but also the technique of inner dialogues that can be very useful as well. He has also written many other useful and popular books about various aspects of the psyche. |
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Hi Mashek,
Athanor given you an interstin interpretation. My interpretations are based on my personal experience of dreaming and on watching many other people sleep and dream in situations of war and peace, great stress and pastoral calm. Quote:
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In dreams before your brain can tell you to do an action, the dream has to raise your level of consciousness by presenting you with light, colour, scenery, ideas and concepts juxtaposed and woven into stories and pictures. The action command in the dream cames when your brain can understand it. My take on your dreams is that you probably have some aches and pains in your sleep - especially neck problems. The symbolism and foreboding comes from your general outlook on life and your personality. Your own subconscious is making use on your pessimistic perceptions to use them as units of mental energy to raise the level of consciousness in sleep. Nothing is wasted in nature. Cheers Wolfjk
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-Athanor-
Hey, Athanor, thank you so much for your interpretations! They are detailed, critical and mean alot to me! Below are just some replies to your answers. Cheers. [q]While it’s always best to have a lot of background information about the dreamer before attempting to analyze a dream, the fact that the dreams you’ve provided are repeated so often makes it possible to give at least a tentative general interpretation based on some fairly stable dream motifs.[/q] [q]One way of looking at the dreams about the dust clouds on the horizon is that there may be some basic underlying feelings of anxiety that could appear under certain stressful circumstances.[/q] I agree. I always seem to be very anxious as I wait for something to happen. It is like, in the dreams, I know that something is going to happen, but not quite sure what and so just by waiting I grow anxious. [q]Trying to cut through the trees may relate to dealing with old habits and attitudes which tend to never be overcome in spite of continued efforts. Perhaps a sort of entrenched outlook leans toward making you a potential target for feelings of unease since it’s possibly not being dealt with enough.[/q] This is a particularly interesting observation. I agree that I am not dealing with something, though I don't know what, as I at times just push a feeling of unease aside instead of dealing with it. I suppose the unease comes from everyday life situations. As with the dealing with old habits and attitudes, that could be right. I knew the trees in the dream meant an obstacle, something I had to break pass to get away from these billowing clowds or whatever was following me, but I never thought of old habits. That is a good observation, as it could be correct. Something I had to overcome, or break past, defeat, in order to move forward or be caught up again with whatever this cloud is. [q]The overall general danger might be that of tending to be overwhelmed by possibly something like aggressive emotions (army) built up from resentment at being unable to live out some deeply felt part of yourself (the girl who helps cut through the trees). This could potentially be the “night” of the unconscious that would follow the “afternoon” of the current ongoing situation that appears in most of your dreams.[/q] The aggressive emotions (army) sounds good, not that I am a hostile person, actually quite nice [q]You don’t mention if you consciously feel very anxious sometimes already. Perhaps it’s as you said, something that you feel could possibly appear in the future. In any case, the dreams also seem to contain hints of how to ultimately handle any such feelings of anxiety.[/q] Certain situations in life I get very anxious, sometimes waiting for something I get very anxious. I hate it, what can I say, though when that something happens, it's never as bad as what it seems... usually. With the future aspect that also sounds more than right, which is what I thought after thinking about the dream and what the cloud may symbolise, as always the cloud comes from the horizon, possibly ahead of me, symbolising the horizon of the future. But in that last cloud dream, cutting through the trees, it seemed to be coming behind me or something. As with ways to deal with it, from what I could gather, usually when I didn't run and instead stood, I overcome whatever was after me and broke it. [q]The main helpful image and what it symbolizes, the tower, would be something valuable to concentrate on. However, many symbols contain multiple meanings and without knowing the spontaneous thoughts, memories and feelings that come to your mind about each image including the tower, it may not be really possible to hit upon the correct meaning of any given symbol in your dreams very well. But what follows are various ideas that relate to the possible meaning of the tower in your dreams.[/q] How I felt in particular was that it was calling me, though not in the sense of words, in the sense of a feeling, and I knew I had to go there. The thoughts I get is that it is a place to go, somewhere different, above perhaps, something I needed to go to get answers or to change. Answers and a place of difference was always the thought. [q]For example, symbols are built on analogies, so in a basic way towers symbolize “ascent” above the common level in society. The ambivalent quality here is related to the fact that this “ascent” can either be spiritual or egotistical in nature.[/q] Hmm... a very interesting observation. Thanks! [q]The spiritual idea comes from the fact that towers “connect” heaven and earth (the unconscious with the ego for example) and therefore can be a sort of conduit of wise counsel.[/q] This sounds right, a connection, note above how I said I felt like I could get answers from this tower, e.g. "a conduit of wise counsel"! [q]In a similar vein, the Virgin Mary is symbolized by a tower. Ascent has also been connected over the centuries with transformation and evolution, and towers were often considered by a society that built them to be the center of the world, a potent symbol of calm and wholeness. It looks like this particular motif appeared in one of your dreams.[/q] Yes, this reappearing tower was always above the world, and when I looked at it I saw some kind of peace and wholeness, like all my answers lied there. [q]The other side of the coin relates to the idea of the verticality of a tower being similar to the upright stance of the human figure (as opposed to horizontal animals) and therefore carrying the possibility of individual or societal inflation and chaos as in the Tower of Babel story. Similarly, the sixteenth enigma of the Tarot pack with its tower destroyed by lightening also is related to this idea of the ego overreaching itself.[/q] Love the knowledge here, thanks, though I can't see a connection with myself. [q]However, your last dream about a tower seems to place it squarely in the area of spirituality and meaning since it becomes a sanctuary for you.[/q] What is interesting about my dreams is that every time I had a dream earlier about seeing a tower, I'd travel to it but never actually reaching the tower and waking up. The last dream when I was being pursued I actually reached this tower, going through many obstacles, up a steep hill, rugged, harsh, purued, alone and sad... [q]Going to your hometown and the idea of trying to find answers (meaning) seem to support the central importance of the tower in helping to find a way out of any potential anxieties about your life-course overall. Also, the idea of an electrical tower hints of its overall regulating of the flow of your energies toward a feeling of wholeness and calm in the midst of difficulties.[/q] Indeed, this tower does seem to be a way out... life course overall. Actually something happened to me last year that got me on a better path. [q]As mentioned, it’s usually not possible to provide too accurate an interpretation without knowing more about the dreamer, but if a few of these ideas seem to hit the mark in some way, you might like to explore your dreams further in order to enlarge on them. A good book to start with would be analyst Robert Johnson’s “Inner Work” because it not only covers dreams in a reliable way, but also the technique of inner dialogues that can be very useful as well. He has also written many other useful and popular books about various aspects of the psyche.[/q] Hmmm... I will keep an eye out for that book! Thanks again, some of the above mentioned does indeed hit the mark and will ultimately help me to look at my dreams more. I have several copies of the dreams I have written and could send them to you if you would like? You might be able to get more from them or just to get a better idea / picture of things. |
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-Wolfkj-
Hey Wolf, thanks for the info, below some replies. Cheers mate! [q]Firstly, your personality is evident in the dreams you have: You fear the future! Your dreams are closely linked to the way you look at life in general.[/q] Thanks. I suppose I do - for good reasons too. But I won't go into that. [q]One of my important observations about dreams is that there is always a physical or psychological reason for them. In the above quote the important point is: "I looked behind me". Now if you watched a sleeper dream this you would actually see him or her move or turn the head and neck.[/q] Hmmm... interesting. Yeah like this morning I awake with a cramped neck and back. Must be the way I lay or maybe I need a new bed. [q]In the last quote you have the movement of running but also an idea of "being accused"[/q] I should send you the dream via email. Quite compelling stuff, could make a story! How about it? [q]In dreams before your brain can tell you to do an action, the dream has to raise your level of consciousness by presenting you with light, colour, scenery... The action command in the dream cames when your brain can understand it. My take on your dreams is that you probably have some aches and pains in your sleep - especially neck problems.[/q] Yes, to the first sentence, that this dream I had such awareness and feeling. Could feel emotion and I interacted with what I wanted to interact, but usually that meant I wanted to keep running, to jump fences of houses and make it to a tower some kilometres away in the bush somewhere. From this what would you say my personality was like, as it is next to useless for me trying to find out. [q]Nothing is wasted in nature.[/q] Indeed it is not. Anyway thank you very much for your observations. Really interesting interpretations. Thanks again! |
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I’m glad that I was able to get you started in looking at these dreams in a way that seems to be helpful to you.
Instead of having myself or someone else look at your dreams in detail, it might be best for you to just reflect on the basic images that have already appeared. That’s because one can tend to become lost in a mass of dream details, perhaps even using them to escape in some way having to really action something that needs to be done. From what you’ve added about the girl in other dreams, it’s likely that her image would be an especially good one to focus on. In one school of psychology, she would be called the “anima” figure. Below is a definition of this figure from the book “Death of a Woman” by Jane Wheelwright. It may seem a little dry at first but hopefully by mulling over the various ideas described, it may link up in some ways with the image of the girl that you’ve been experiencing: “Anima: The archetype in the male psyche that is the inherited pattern of potential experience of the female instinct. This archetype underlies and is basic to a complex which is affected by the individual’s early experience of women, primarily his mother, female siblings, and the collective images of women provided by his cultural experience. The images and affects [emotions] that attach to the complex express what is other than the individual’s male body-ego identity, such as his own unconscious femaleness, the unconscious, the inferior function [for example, if a man uses primarily thinking and the intellect to move through life, then the inferior function would be related to emotions and values]. The anima assumes a generalized image of the individual’s female ideal, which strongly influences his choice of a mate. Consciously related to, the anima functions as an inspiratrice or muse – a bridge to the creative wellspring of the unconscious and to unknown potentialities for development [this might relate to the idea of the Virgin Mary and the image of the tower in your dreams]. The anima serves as a guide in relationships, particularly with those who have a different outlook. When not consciously related to, the anima causes a man to be moody, capricious, ruthless, and snide about others.” Perhaps before the dream where you were able to enter the tower something happened that was related to finding this inner personal connection with self acceptance and a more “creative” outlook. To amplify what the girl symbolizes as well as the other images in your dreams, you could try jotting down your reflections about each image in your dreams, whatever thoughts, feelings and memories come to mind. Some will come quickly, but some will take longer to appear, so you can always add to your jottings later. If at all possible it’s best to be able to add what was going on in your inner and outer life before the dream appeared. Then you can look through all of the material that appeared to see interconnections such as common themes that may point to a problem. For example, when focusing on an image like yours of the girl disappearing, a person might suddenly remember a certain situation where their emotions shut down completely when a bit of empathy might have been best. However, this is just a general example and it all depends on what comes to your own mind about the image of the girl in that case. The idea of an invading army also relates to the possibility that some parts of your personality are being “avoided” in some way and these aspects that are left out as it were become “angry” at their exclusion and so they “attack”. The practical result of this could be the appearance of your anxious feelings. A good book to help explore this ignored side of our personalities is “Facing the Shadow”, edited by Connie Zweig and Jeremiah Adams. Perhaps an online bookstore would be the best place to find this and the various titles by Robert Johnson about dreams, the anima and various other psychological figures. His memoir “Balancing Heaven and Earth” is also very useful in getting the overall feel of how to look within to find some healing. |
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Thanks for the books, I'll give em a search, and as always, thanks for the help! |
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Also this dream particularly strikes me, especially more so when I had it not too long ago. A certain scene, particularly with all the bodies, is what I believe is definately symbolic of something. You actually felt it in the dream and it was like a surrealist painting that something was trying to be said here.
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